Posts by The Leological One

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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

by VM44 in

this is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.

all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.

the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?

The Leological One

No, it displays a loyalty to the WT FDS Teaching/Writing Committees, as does all other JW teachings.

100% Exactly~!

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IM from a dub who is disgusted at my presence on this board

by stillajwexelder in

i have read your posts and am suprised, shocked and disgusted at the fact you still are an active witness who goes to the meetings 70% of the time and at the same time go to apostefests and curse and talk bad about the truth.

dont you know that the bible said people like you would quietly slip in the congregation and subvert the faith of some?

are you not afraid of god and jesus?

The Leological One

like i stated at the outset i will talk to anyone except apostates, disfellowshipped or haters of Jehovah and Jesus witness or not
This was defd personal claim on another thread as to whom or whom not he would respond. In spite of the fact that I do not meet his criteria, I have been judged by him as unworthy. In addition, many others who are 1-aknowledged apostates 2- disfellowshipped 3- haters of Jehovah or Jesus - he does respond to at times. I think the real reason is that he cannot defend what he believes and he knows it. Otherwise why is he here? He is trying to find the escape hatch from the borg. If he comes here enough it will become obvious, as the light gets brighter and brighter.... Jeff

I've never been a JW, don't hate Jehovah or Jesus though last night was the first time I've been to church in years -- with the exception of a few Kindom Hall services and the Memorial I attended with my wife. But I get the impression that Jehovah's Witnesses won't talk to anybody that doesn't seem a likely candidate for conversion. Nothing wrong with that I guess. Anyway, it's possible he and others may have a change of mind and heart after a while. My wife was in a place where she was continually being left out of get-togethers where she'd have a chance to meet a nice JW guy to possibly marry, and she was deemed as being bad after waiting for years because a guy she almost hooked up with forced her to kiss him, and after she had felt violated and like she was no longer pure and had not been put in situations that would favor meeting anybody, she then later was judged for hooking up with two relationships, a year apart, with "worldly" men. She forced herself to meet the elders demands and break up with them each time after only a brief relationship only to be ignored to a large degree (though I will admit the elders and people have been nice to her brother who has some medical/mental issues, and I think that's cool). Finally after being tempted by another "worldly" man after she tried for about a year to hook up with a nice JW man but was then confronted with the info that he didn't view her as pure enough or whatever, she ended up hooking up with me instead -- someone who's been a Christian most of his life and had spent the previous year researching the Watchtower via places like this forum and the freeminds.org site. It took about 4-5 months into our marriage and being df'd, unable to talk to her own family, for her to be ready enough for me to show her this site and similar ones, and it took a little time, but she's now convinced of the problems of the WT and no longer views the WT as the "Truth" but rather a control scheme of men based on a tightly controlled and erroneous view of various biblical passages, no matter how obviously wrong some of the views are. She likely still shares some views in common with the WT, possibly regarding such areas as the Trinity and hell, but she no longer believes she has to push magazines and be forced into a role that's not natural for many people but rather that she can help people in a biblical sense in other ways, like just talking to people she meets in good/proper time, etc., and she's a lot happier as a result of not feeling trapped into having to live a pattern of rules that don't fit everybody equally or that don't make much sense in areas.

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IM from a dub who is disgusted at my presence on this board

by stillajwexelder in

i have read your posts and am suprised, shocked and disgusted at the fact you still are an active witness who goes to the meetings 70% of the time and at the same time go to apostefests and curse and talk bad about the truth.

dont you know that the bible said people like you would quietly slip in the congregation and subvert the faith of some?

are you not afraid of god and jesus?

The Leological One

I never said that either. I hope you ARE the type that would accept the Good News of Gods Kingdom. I wish that ALL would. But I know from the bible that ALL will not.

I agree, but have you also read where many will be led astray by people saying he is here, or he is there, or he is hidden (i.e. sounds very similar to Jesus' invisible return)?

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IM from a dub who is disgusted at my presence on this board

by stillajwexelder in

i have read your posts and am suprised, shocked and disgusted at the fact you still are an active witness who goes to the meetings 70% of the time and at the same time go to apostefests and curse and talk bad about the truth.

dont you know that the bible said people like you would quietly slip in the congregation and subvert the faith of some?

are you not afraid of god and jesus?

The Leological One

Or any number of unhappy and active dubs

Of course, I hope the poster keeps viewing the info found on the board his/herself for a while. I can tell from my wife's experience that it can be brutally tough for some to come to the knowledge that the "Truth" isn't actually the truth, on their parade. ()

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My thoughts on men who Body Build

by kls in

my two son's are body builders and i am wonering if they think they can take on the world .

last year my son was in a bar fight and got sucker punched in the eye which required 5 stiches ,now my 21 year old comes home with a huge black eye, the biggest i have ever seen trying to break up a fight.. .

now both these people that got a good shot at my kids where men much smaller in stature and size and seemed to land good punches.

The Leological One

As one who's been in a number of fights, though mostly when I was in my school with some here and there since, I can say from experience that I've made some larger people look weak, but a lot of that has to do with me getting my butt kicked enough times initially in earlier fights and being able to handle taking a hit and being in a fight without spacing out. Sometimes the bigger people I've fought had a tough image just because they were big but weren't able to live up to the tough image when they picked on the wrong guy, and a lot of the bigger guys I've known who started fights did so with a group of friends around to help make their prey just sit there and take whatever they dished out.

hopefully your sons aren't lame like that. One thing in favor of your sons' sizes is that if they learn how to fight well, people like me hate fighting big guys that know what they're doing in a fight. When you combine size with speed and knowledge, it can get pretty scary~!

It's never a good idea to get into a lot of fights even if you are tough; guns, knives, multiple attackers, etc. can always find their way into a fight scenario.

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What's the last good fantasy or scifi book that you could'nt put down?

by Leander in

so what's the last fantasy/scifi book that you read that was just so good you could'nt put it down until you were done reading it?

i need a few recommendations, i'm in the mood for a good book.. for me the last really good scifi book was orson scott card's "ender's game".

for a long time i avoided this book because i thought it was aimed at a younger audience, but after hearing so many people praise it i finally took a chance on it.

The Leological One

Stephen R. Donaldson's "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant: The Unbeleiver" Chronicles I and II, and there's a IIIrd he just started with a new book last Fall.

Very cool series, and it's by no means any candyland~!

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VERY ANGRY at jw for treating someone special to me/other women so bad

by VH5150 in

i think that the way jw treats women is absolutely terrible!!!!!

makes me want to confront them and give the powers that be a taste of the same medicine they dish out.

how can the be so cold and insensitive to treat another human being this way for any reason and try to justify with the words of the bible.

The Leological One

I totally agree that no religion or group should be that way.

BTW, your moniker caught my eye -- I sold my Peavey EVH sig. 5150 amp not too long ago and had been recently thinking about buying one again, but I've gotta' somehow get motivated to work those extra hours and hope nothing else comes up to swallow the $.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Again Christians are too much alike its scary

by booker-t in

ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.

because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.

both jw's and ba's think they know everything.

The Leological One

This is more the domain of the extremist evangelists, and they get plenty of patronage from those who feel their pastor doesn't have sufficient balls to tell the truth. Gene Scott, Peter Popov, Jerry Falwell, and so many others, make "viewing with alarm" a national sport. True, it's not about one denomination, but they're both hysterical versions of "ex ecclesia nullam salus." Joel Osteen ain't in it.

Gently Feral,

Now that you mention televangelists, I don't watch that stuff and am not EVEN going to try to defend what the majority of them might be teaching~!

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Again Christians are too much alike its scary

by booker-t in

ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.

because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.

both jw's and ba's think they know everything.

The Leological One

JWs, BAs, Baptists, Church of Christ, Assemblies of God, Four Square, and on and on the list goes. All are hardcore fundamentalist. If you do not accede to their worldview, or vision of God/Christ, you are of the Devil and lost as Hogan's goat. Even though doctrines are different from denomination to denomination the mind set is the same. We're holy and blessed and you sinner are gonna die/burn in hell

The Baptist church I went to from a child to my teenage years as well as the other churches I mentioned in my last post as well as a couple Assemblies of God churches I've checked out a few times don't fit your description. They may be fundamentalists in that they believe the Bible, but that's not the same thing as saying you have to be a member of their exact church or denomination to be saved. Some churches I've been to have good things to say about other denominations and have had various assemblies and interactivity with other denominations and churches, i.e. the Pentacostal one I went to used to go and hang out with the members of an Assemblies of God church and play volleyball with them in their gym, attend services and have praise and worship together, etc...

Again, maybe some peolpe here have gone to some really strange churches or something. The stuff I'm hearing doesn't match up with my experiences throughout spending about 30 of my 35 years going to various churches. I don't want to seem judgemental towards you, as maybe you and the thread starter have different experiences than I do; if so, I wouldn't have a good thought about those churches, either.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Again Christians are too much alike its scary

by booker-t in

ever since i left the jw's i visited a few born-again christian churches and i felt like i was sitting in a kingdom hall of jw's.

because born-agains are more like jw's then they want to admit.

both jw's and ba's think they know everything.

The Leological One

Um... say what?

I've never been a JW and have been a Christian the majority of my life, as a child started at a Methodist church, then Baptist, and then Pentacostal, as well as non-denominational. I've never heard of any announcement from any church like the disfellowshipping ones you mention or one demeaning another member in front of the church, saying something along the lines of someone is backslidden, etc., though I'll concede there are bound to be people that will notice if someone suddenly stopped going to church, and there are people who likely will gossip, as well. That, in itself, is lame, but where have you heard churches announce things like that? Maybe some do, but I've never heard of any of the standard denominations having such a practice.

Also, though surely each church likely feels it has a correct understanding of the Bible, I've never been to any church that specifically teaches only they have the correct understanding of the Bible or that they have a perfect understanding of the Bible, or that someone will go to hell if they leave that particular church. The ones I've gone to pretty much teach salvation is between God and each individual person, though they teach we should not forsake the gathering of ourselves together and that it is better to go to church somewhere. I've gone to churches that interact with other churches and sometimes members will start going from one to the other if it seems a little more to their liking, and I've never heard much in the way of gossip, etc. about it, though again there's likely someone somewhere who's not happy about any little changes. But nothing official regarding announcements, denouncements, etc...

If there are churches out there doing what you mentioned, I can't blame you for your point of view and would actually agree and surely not attend those types.